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Filed Under (The Internets) by Arjewtino on 15-11-2007

At a house party several years ago, I engaged a lovely young lady in the finer points of political discourse. I told her how I felt. She told me how she felt. I told her she was wrong. And then she started to cry.

Now before you admonish me for making this woman sob at what was supposed to be a fun housewarming for a friend, consider this: she was a Republican.

I don’t remember what I argued that now infamous night, but I’m pretty sure I threw out terms like “GOP scum”, “Fascist pig”, and “Look at that guy do a keg stand!”.

But it became clear to me that night that opposing one’s political views can be a dangerous game, especially in this city. I know where I stand on most issues and, though I am open to new ideas, I remain steadfast in this respect.

Which is why my inability to choose a presidential candidate is mystifying me.

This is the first year where I will make a real choice. In 1996, the first election year I could vote, I of course helped re-elect Bubba. In 2000 (a year when I actually uttered the words, “How bad can it be?” after the Supreme Court awarded Bush the presidency), it was really no choice when I voted for newly crowned Nobel Peace Prize winner Al Gore.

In ’04, it was John “Anybody-But-Bush” Kerry. Which brings us to 2008.

Barack? Hillary? Colbert? I have no idea. For some reason, which is not grounded in policy or voting record, I think I like Bill Richardson but I really have no idea why. This is idiotic, since selecting a candidate because you like his haircut or you think he looks like a nice person is an absurd exercise in mindlessness.

So I turned yesterday to the only thing that could help me decide: an Internet quiz that took less than 5 minutes to take.

The first quiz I took was by something called the Internet Straw Poll. I answered 14 questions regarding the death penalty, the war on drugs, and Social Security. After carefully calculating my answers, it then told me I favored this guy:

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Tom Fucking Tancredo! A xenophobic fuckwad who would have personally chased my family back to Argentina back in 1979 despite our green cards.

I found this an odd result considering I answered a resounding (I clicked hard on my mouse) YES to the question, “Do you think illegal immigrants should be able to earn citizenship?”

I decided that the Internet Straw Poll was a biased mechanism bent on proselytizing its right-wingers. So I looked for another quiz.

I took this “Candidate Calculator” test on a site called VaJoe, which sounds especially funny when you sat it out loud. This one asked me 23 questions that varied in topics and allowed you to “weigh” each answer.

I answered with more thought this time, taking care to consider my stances on topics like “U.S. sanctions against Iran” and “ANWR drilling” (drilling is bad, right?).

My top match?

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Dennis Fucking Kucinich.

So there are my two choices for next year, people. A guy who would deport you for being too dark-skinned or a guy who has no shot in hell at the nomination, let alone securing an invite to the Democratic Convention.

I wonder if I can still vote for Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.

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Comments

Baby Bien on 15 November, 2007 at 11:13 am #

A) I remember that party and that kegstand ended poorly. There was a hospital visit the following morning for the poor guy (who shall remain nameless unless you name him).
B) Bill Richardson spoke at my college graduation, but I was too hungover to even listen.
3) I still can’t believe Mexico voted in a GILF.

I shall not name him because (1) he’s a lawyer and would sue me and (2) I don’t have a nickname for him. Well, I do, but it’s secret.


Rory on 15 November, 2007 at 11:27 am #

I imagine most of those online candidate calculators are rigged.

I also like Richardson, he has a certain everyman, blue collar feel to him that makes me think he won’t totally screw us. I’m supporting Obama, though. The man was president of the Harvard Law Review! He’s the man for his time and place. An Obama/Richardson ticket would make my day.

A better title for this post would have been “Don’t cry for me, Argentina.” No?

I’m still undecided and want to be open but yeah, I like Richardson for some reason. Probably irrelevant, though, considering he’s angling big time for the VP slot.

I said “slot”.


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Lemmonex on 15 November, 2007 at 11:31 am #

I once attended a house warming party of people I didn’t know all that well. I got into it with a woman that works at the Heritage Foundation. Female Republicans are always more offensive to me. My evening came to a screeching halt when I started raging about back ally abortions and asking other party-goers why “people like her” were invited to said party. Apparently, talk about rusty coat hangers does not go too well with artichoke dip.

That’s weird, those conversations have always been pick-me-ups at the parties I go to.


Bridal Bird on 15 November, 2007 at 11:35 am #

Everyone I know who has taken the Candidate Calculator test has gotten Kucinich. If he can rig the primaries as well as he rigged the Candidate Calculator, all hail President Kucinich!

That’s because all your friends are liberal pussies like me whose politics gravitate to Kucinich. Damn it.


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on 15 November, 2007 at 11:42 am #

Nothing about Kucinich’s FLILF wife?

Someone’s traded up.


on 15 November, 2007 at 11:43 am #

The strawpoll one has a rotating selection of questions, and comes up with a different combination of them every time you take it. It has variously told me to vote for Dodd, Biden, and Romney depending on what questions I got.

The Candidate Calculator told me to vote for Mike Gravel, who sounds made up if you ask me.

You know who you get if you skip each question? Dodd. That says a lot, actually.


Blue on 15 November, 2007 at 11:56 am #

You’re allowed to vote?

Blue, who I have known since 2nd grade, is referring to his running joke of me being a foreigner. Though I became an American citizen when I was 15, he continues to think this joke is funny, not because of its substance, but because I used to get upset when he made it.


on 15 November, 2007 at 11:58 am #

My arguments with republicans always end badly (badly meaning I get torn to pieces) because somehow they eventually find out I can’t vote.

That shouldn’t make any of your arguments any less valid. How do they turn it around on you?


inowpronounceyou on 15 November, 2007 at 11:58 am #

I actually really like Mike Gravel. Even though he comes across as a cantakerous old man, he says things that need to be said.

Gravel was my second top match, so I guess I should start looking into him. But like JB said, his name just sounds made up.


H on 15 November, 2007 at 12:56 pm #

in the end, though, does it really matter if your state (or commonwealth) has a really late primary? I really liked in ‘04 that we could choose our Democratic candidate, but all of the DNC reps were already slated for Kerry. so what was the point?


on 15 November, 2007 at 12:57 pm #

I got Tancredo on that first quiz too. What a crock.

The second quiz was much better, even though it felt like I was filling out a profile on e-Harmony. I got Obama, which makes perfect sense to me. Gravel, Kucinich and Richardson were my other top matches.

Just goes to show it’s fixed.


roissy on 15 November, 2007 at 1:18 pm #

My evening came to a screeching halt when I started raging about back ally abortions and asking other party-goers why “people like her” were invited to said party.

behold liberal tolerance.
heh.


rcr on 15 November, 2007 at 1:45 pm #

I came up with Gravel also. I had never heard of him, but the dude sounds like a badass:

http://www.gravel2008.us/bio

He also, at some point, had an awesome mustache.


Sisco on 15 November, 2007 at 1:50 pm #

Mine were worse. Far, far worse.

John McCain and Mike Gravel. What the fuck, dude?


Sisco on 15 November, 2007 at 1:54 pm #

Also, because I’m bored at work –

Um, didn’t Mexico vote in Calderon….which is a man?

And I took the Candidate Calculator again and STILL got Gravel, with Kucinich, Obama, and Biden behind him.


Baby Bien on 15 November, 2007 at 2:07 pm #

Sisco, it’s a joke about the Mexican president…he understood.

This is why inside jokes don’t work on blogs.


argentine sex worker on 15 November, 2007 at 2:20 pm #

I got tancredo as well on the straw poll. I’m more likely to vote for Stalin. At least his name didn’t end in no goddamned vowel…

GO PATS!


Lemmonex on 15 November, 2007 at 2:21 pm #

Roissy, I tolerate R’s as much as you tolerate fat chicks.


Sisco on 15 November, 2007 at 3:05 pm #

BB –

My B.


on 15 November, 2007 at 3:16 pm #

At least you can vote. I’ve been in this country 12 years and I still am not a citizen and therefore cannot help choose who will pass laws that will affect me. Grrr.

But I’ll bet you can argue pretty vehemently.


on 15 November, 2007 at 4:25 pm #

“This is idiotic, since selecting a candidate because you like his haircut or you think he looks like a nice person is an absurd exercise in mindlessness.”

Right, because clearly we as a nation vote on intellect and aptitude, judging by the past eight years.

Also, turns out the guy running that second calculator website has a girlfriend who stutters. It’s very confusing. Once she closed his hand in the car door, and for the next three days was lamenting that she “hurt her VaJoeJoe.”


janet on 15 November, 2007 at 5:27 pm #

I grew up in Tom Tancredo’s disctrict — KILL ME. That man is hateful. So yeah, I go from him being my Congressman to having no vote at all. What’s worse?

Those candidate quizzes are always lame, but you know who else is lame? Bill Richardson. I really wanted to like him, but he has run a horrible campaign, imho.

It’s probably a good thing I can’t vote because I don’t know who I’d pick today. I am a pragmatist though (albeit one who worked for Howard Dean) so I would choose Hillary or Obama.

Yeah, that’s the problem, though, you have to put aside your belief system (ideally) and vote for the one who has the better shot. All this talk, from one perspective, of who to vote for will soon become irrelevant when it becomes clear that either Hillary or Obama will be the one with the better shot at the White House.


Victor on 15 November, 2007 at 5:33 pm #

I stumbled on your article and when I saw the word “argentine” in the title I decided to read it. I am Argentine and I came to the US as a legal resident holding a Green Card. This happened 4 years ago. I can’t stand Republicans and I have always (even when living in Argentina) considered myself a Democrat. Still, I don’t think illegal immigrants should be granted citizenship. The whole structure of a nation (in terms of education, health, jobs, etc) are meant for those who are born there and for those that the nation chooses to invite to come over (like me). Illegal immigrants harm that structure. I don’t want to get into the moral aspect of this topic, meaning: how much illegal immigrants suffer while in their own countries and how much the developed nations (and this one in particular!) have helped in making that situation 1,000 times worse. That’s a different topic. From the legal standpoint, illegal immigrants should be deported. I would have never come to the US had I not have a Green Card in my hand. On a different note, even if you were on time, don’t vote for Cristina! She is “peronista”, just as harmful to Argentina as Republicans are to the US. Thinking it better, you are Jewish – I kinda doubt you’d vote for a “peronista”.


Platypus on 15 November, 2007 at 5:42 pm #

Peronista or not, I’d bury my face between her presidential funbags any ol’ day of the week!


on 15 November, 2007 at 11:17 pm #

Richardson ended up being my choice in the straw poll, which is funny since I wrote you today that I like him because of his international experience as ambassador to the UN and domestic experience as the Governor of New Mexico, but that I honestly know nothing about his politics and ideas.

Joe Biden was my result for the calculator test.

It’s nice to know that my views match-up with probable VP contenders.


on 16 November, 2007 at 12:20 am #

Haba! Haba! Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is kind of hot.

I think come next November I will be voting for Michael Dukakis


on 16 November, 2007 at 1:08 pm #

I took that second quiz and I got Gravel, WTF!


Hey Pretty on 16 November, 2007 at 2:28 pm #

Chris Dodd all the way, baby.

I was at first confused by your sentence “I don’t remember what I argued that now infamous night, but I’m pretty sure I threw out terms like “GOP scum”, “Fascist pig”, and “Look at that guy do a keg stand!”” until I realized how sad it is that in our current administration I wouldn’t be at all shocked if our pres *does* do keg stands.


the princess on 16 November, 2007 at 3:04 pm #

Uh, is the person talking about illegal immigration kidding? Please? I just want to know his/her plan to a)deport 20,000,000 people b)fill the jobs and the gaps in the economy that would be left and c) repair the broken families that would be also be left.

You’re so sexy when you’re indignant.


Platypus on 16 November, 2007 at 3:07 pm #

Funbags!


roissy on 16 November, 2007 at 3:54 pm #

lemmonex:
Roissy, I tolerate R’s as much as you tolerate fat chicks.

the difference is i don’t cloak myself in the righteous sanctimony of tolerance that is the hallmark of modern liberalism.
i’m proud that i don’t tolerate fat chicks. (though to be accurate i’m perfectly fine with fat chicks as friends).

princess:
I just want to know his/her plan to a)deport 20,000,000 people

ah, the old “it’s too broken to fix” argument.
deny employment. they’ll find their way back.

b)fill the jobs and the gaps in the economy that would be left and

those jobs would quicly be filled by native workers once the wages rose in response to the tightening of the low wage illegal labor market.

c) repair the broken families that would be also be left.

if you cross the border illegally, you are responsible for any family strife that may occur as a result of your lawbreaking ways.
or: bleeding heart arguments make for poor policy.

hey, someone’s got to bring the hate. i really miss those old blog wars between roosh and cpmc and that gay dude who runs some gossip site.

Actually, the term “modern liberalism” is a synonym of “social liberalism” that refers much more to Libertarian ideals than leftist or social democratic views.

Also, your argument in (b) assumes way too much about some conservative, idealized version of economic policy. It’s like assuming you can squeeze lemonade out of a grapefruit if the trees were free to grow them.

Never thought my blog would ever get this political. Let’s bring it back to hearting Alyssa Milano and saving ungrateful baby birds.


on 17 November, 2007 at 7:18 pm #

Tom Tancredo… This doesn’t surprise me. I’m sure he would enjoy hanging out in the “Europe” of South America with that rest of you xenophobic bastards.

At least that elf Kucinich has a hot wife…


on 19 November, 2007 at 9:14 am #

Yeah… how did Kucinich land her anyway?

In the how-to book about becoming first lady, did she only read “Shack up with a candidate” and neglect to read the 2nd part - “…who actually has a chance at winning”?


Sparkplug on 19 November, 2007 at 5:28 pm #

I was also at said party. I enjoyed the crying republican very much. Oh, those were the days.


joelogon on 20 November, 2007 at 12:29 am #

Hell, I’ll vote for Kucinich just because he’s a short guy with a taller, hotter, younger redheaded wife.


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